Making Menopause Mainstream With Adele Johnston

 

Menopause affects so many women, yet it’s still a topic shrouded in mystery and discomfort. With the proper education and guidance, women can discover personalized solutions to manage symptoms and thrive during this significant life transition. In this episode, Clare Sente and Rachel Watson welcome a special guest, Adele Johnston. Building on a previous episode, the trio dives even deeper into the topic of menopause. They talk about the challenges associated with it and give advice on how to deal with symptoms while staying healthy during this stage of life. Drawing from her expertise, Adele offers helpful guidance to women who may be grappling with menopause. Tune in to learn more about how to navigate menopause with grace and confidence.

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Making Menopause Mainstream With Adele Johnston

This is Episode 11 of Season 2, which is crazy. We’re marching toward the end. We have a special guest expert. We have Adele who is a menopause coach. You might read the episode on menopause before that Clare and I did. It’s such a chunky topic. We thought we need to do some more of this, get an expert and have her with us. Thank you for being with us, Adele.

Thank you for inviting me. I love it.

I wanted to start by finding out how you became the menopause coach because I imagine that when you’re twelve, that’s not your ambition for life. How and when did it happen?

I did not go to my career advisory meeting at high school and say, “I’m going to be a menopause coach for women around the world. I’m going to help them and educate people.” I didn’t even know what menopause was in high school. Permission to be excused.

What did you do? The job that you had led you here.

 

 

It was not much of a job. Prior to this, I spent over two decades in women’s health. I was very young when I started to understand how the body worked. I was very fortunate that I had a bodybuilding mom. She was a Miss Scotland bodybuilder and came third in Britain. She was a fantastic role model for health, fitness and how the body can change when you have a focus. I grew up intrigued. She was a personal trainer and health coach. It was inevitable. My brother is a head chef. We’ve both come into me being a nutritionist and him being a head chef. It’s quite cool. We’re inside that space for a long time but my career was in senior-level roles in banking and investment banking firms.

The short version of this is I started to notice a lot of different changes in my body in my early 30s. One of the biggest changes for me was vaginal, dryness, soreness and smelliness. I had leakage, not discharge but actual water leakage. I was having a lot of bleeding during and after sex with my husband. It was embarrassing. It wasn’t enjoyable. I lost my ability to climax, which was frustrating. I thought, “You can’t exactly rock up to the doctor and be like, ‘I can’t orgasm and I think I’ve got a problem.’” That for me was the start of, “This isn’t normal. Something’s not right.” Very fortunately, I was already working, like I say in the women’s health space and I had a mentor who is a private menopause doctor but previous to that she was an NHS doctor.

For those in America, what is an NHS doctor?

I work with ladies in America so I fully get the explanation. The NHS is our National Health Service. This is very much we give gratitude for the fact that we have. This is our healthcare provider in the UK.

There are pros and cons to it. This is an episode about the NHS necessarily. One of the things that are benefit of private healthcare, although there are lots of negatives as well, is that you get to choose your healthcare provider, doctor or specialist. That access is not quite there. Your regular UK citizen has a general practitioner. They have their GP and that’s who they’re relying on. A lot of us aren’t aware there are such things as menopause specialists in the UK.

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I’ve got more women who are in their 50s and this next decade. I encourage a lot of my girlfriends or clients to might have to switch not their GP but their OB-GYN or their gynecologist because some aren’t up on the latest of what menopause is and this is an important part of our life to get the right information. I’ve had a couple of girlfriends whom I’ve recommended if they could with their health plan to switch to someone that has like the North American Menopause Society or NAMS if someone is part of that. I’m happy with mine. She’s up on things. We talk regularly. That can make such a big difference.

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You may love your doctor but I’ve been through quite a few doctors when we have to change healthcare plans in the last few years with some of the things changing with our say Obamacare for us. I’ve looked at a lot of gynecologists and I feel like I was the one that was trying to teach them some things about an older woman’s body because they were in their 30s and they weren’t up on that.

I’m not saying that’s bad, meaning they have so many things they have to learn about but you have to advocate for your healthcare if that means that you have to look for a couple of doctors. It’s so private. If you’re looking at a doctor and you’re saying, “I’m 51. I’m starting to experience vaginal dryness,” this is scary. Someone’s saying, “Here’s this cream that I had a weird reaction to.”

They didn’t say, “There are these other options.” I thought, “One and done. It’s not working. I guess I can’t do anything anymore.” It is a journey in that you have to be your advocate and keep looking. Adele, you were lucky that your GP and the NHS system were someone who had a menopause specialty.

I didn’t. I’m the very opposite. The NHS system doesn’t educate their doctors or GPS in menopause. Out of 10 years of medical school, they will receive around about maybe 30 minutes to be aware of this menopause thing that can happen. There’s no education. I was very fortunate at that time that I had a mentor for my knowledge-building. It was through a conversation we had one evening and she said, “We need to do some blood for you.” I was like, “Not at all. There’s no way it can be perimenopause. I’m too young for that surely,” but it was.

It turns out that my levels were significantly low for my testosterone. My mentor’s words were, “How are you even functioning significantly low?” I started my hormone replacement therapy journey when I was 37. I’ll be 40 from choice, knowledge, understanding and my body’s health choice. I work with ladies who opt not to replace their hormones and that’s okay as well.

How did that experience of you going through perimenopause and having some significant symptoms of that, if symptom is the right word? This is fun. I want to talk more about this. How did that bring you to be the menopause coach?

I was quite crippled with my symptoms. They were quite severe. We appreciate that a lot of women will experience it. The UK statistics will state that 25% of women will be severe with their symptoms. It’s life-altering. With mine, I became another statistic of 1 in 10 women who resigned from their careers because of menopause. I walked away from a very senior and well-paying with lots of benefits and a great pension within a matter of a week and a half because I couldn’t cope. I wasn’t well.

My husband and I had a conversation. We’d value our health and happiness way more than we value money. It was a no-brainer to hand in my resignation and put my health first. At that point, I was already working in the women’s health space as a nutritionist and I thought there’s got to be more I can learn for me. I discovered that there’s a black hole, not a gray area, of education and support.

It was one of those epic moments when I thought, “I’m not sitting back and accepting that there’s not enough information there.” I curated over the space of about eighteen months, this huge library of medical research journals and publication papers. I read and ordered every single menopause book that there was out there. I interviewed menopause specialists. I employed brought on two menopause GP doctors to mentor me so that if something came up I didn’t understand, I could then say, “Can we jump on a call and run this through?”

It was through that process that I discovered that I massively changed my life around and some other ladies that I was already working with and thought this has to be something that everybody has access to if they want it. That’s how it came about. It’s almost the whole piece of, “This is my universal purpose path. This is why I was put here.”

You sound fearsome like a dog with a bat between its teeth like, “I am unstoppable. I’m doing this thing. I am forging my path.” That’s amazing.

Let’s take advantage of what you’ve got as knowledge, Adele. There are a lot of readers who are like, “She curated eighteen months. She’s got some GPs.” What a lot of readers want to know is how it affects their sexual health. Do you mind if I jump right in and talk about what are some of the things that you’re seeing and the devastating effects that menopause not talked about or treated well can have on a relationship in a woman’s sexual health?

I’m a positive psychology coach as well. Being certified in that relationship is one of the key pillars of the PERMA model that we coach. Within the relationships, there is a staggering number. Apologies to those outside the UK reading this. UK stats are coming in. 40% of divorcees are initiated by the female and the age category is between her early 40s to mid-50s, which is predominantly through perimenopause and into postmenopause years.

What we appreciate with that is it can disrupt and fracture a lot of relationships for a number of reasons but if we look at what is happening in the physiological and emotional well-being of our bodies and mindsets, we lose a lot of who we are. We lose a lot of our confidence and there’s a reason we don’t choose that to happen. If we keep this quite high level, we have key sex hormones as women.

If we look at what is happening to the physiological and emotional wellbeing of our bodies and mindset during menopause, we’ll see that we’re losing a lot of who we are. Click To Tweet

Three that are key in this process are what you will know as estrogen. Within estrogen it’s a plural, we have estradiol. Estradiol is like the queen inside our body. She is responsible for hundreds upon hundreds of functions inside our body from brain to toe. Estradiol is the one that we start to lose through our petty menopausal journey which can last for up to ten years. After which we have a new baseline level of estradiol, we lose it all in our post-menopausal years. Estradiol is responsible for things such as vaginal well-being for confidence and our ability to show up as ourselves to know who we are.

The one question that you’ve asked here relates to estradiol but it also relates to our second sex hormone progesterone. Progesterone is there to maintain a healthy womb and endometrium lining. It helps to keep us calm and sleep well. When we start to lose that, we can then have disrupted sleep. If we all know when we’ve had a bad night’s sleep, it can take days for us to feel ourselves again. It’s this hungover, jaded feeling of brain fog, forgetfulness and emotional dysregulation. We can become a shell of who we are.

Thirdly, testosterone. This is a powerful one. Testosterone is the badass hormone. This is the one for us women. We have three times as much testosterone as we do estrogen before our menopause. As it declines, I refer to it as our badassery hormone. Do you know when you show up to something and you’re like, “ I am owning this. This is mine?” We lose that.

Testosterone is so key for our sexual desire and function, libido and sex drive. The reason I’m explaining it this way is because if we put all of that together and we start to see those hormones depreciating at quite a rapid rate for some women, it can have an onset of various symptoms from head to toe including within our vaginal wellbeing. We know the vagina is the internal part and the vulva is external. The parts you can see are known as our vulva. I’m sure you have done all of the anatomy lessons on this show.

The reason that I’m explaining it this way is that we can see very visible changes in our vulva. Our clitoral hood can shrink back. We can have exposure to the clitoral nerve. We can find shrinkage within that area. We can find that the labia, our lips on either side can become very tender, sore or shrink. For some women, they might enlarge. It changes.

This is why it’s important and it’s not dirty for us to grab a mirror and do our monthly check. Are we still looking healthy and happy down there? Get familiar with what looks and feels right. This is part of our process. If we go on the internal part, part of my key symptoms was very vaginal. The soreness for any type of penetrative sex. The whole mental impact that had on me thinking, “I must smell down there. It’s not moist enough down there. This is going to hurt. I tense.” All of a sudden, something that’s meant to be enjoyable becomes this hellish journey. I’m then thinking, “I’ve got to get through this because he needs it.” We start to become a shell of who we once were. There’s a lot we can do to help in those situations.

There’s something that surprised me. One of the participants of the portrait exhibition I did that I’ve spoken about over 40 was saying to me her first symptom of menopause that she didn’t even know was a symptom of menopause was that her confidence plummeted. It wasn’t until much later that somebody said, “That’s menopause.” She hadn’t even heard that and I hadn’t. When she told me, I was like, “I didn’t know confidence was affected by menopause.” It’s a black hole. Are we not talking about it? Are we ashamed of it? Where did this black hole come from?

It’s probably all of the above and a bit more because if we think about this, how horrible is this? I am a bit of a feminist and I do not apologize for that. We have this overriding pressure that comes previously. If we think back to our Victorian sisters, those ladies faced being called hysterical. They were sent to the doctor when things changed and it was diagnosed as being hysteria. I’m like, “Bloody hell.” A lot of the challenges stem from this time.

We haven’t ever then had menopause integrated into education. We learn a lot about menstruation, how periods begin and sex education. Why did it leave the last part off? We’re losing it in the educational opportunity and we don’t have an abundance of medical education. We are very much reliant upon doctors, teachers and anybody else out there doing their learning using their initiative to read. Their STEM is part of the reason

When I think about the ways that interfere with our relationships, you have physical changes, dryness, pain, bleeding and all those physical changes but then that deeper level of loss of confidence and you then start to worry, “Am I not desirable? Do I smell bad?” He’s going to think, “She’s not wet. I’m not pleasuring her.” Shame all gets loaded on top. With a woman you work with, do you encourage them to have these conversations if they have sexual partners?

Yes. We go on a very unique journey. A lot of this is to do with the PERMA model, part of this being the R is the Relationships. This is about understanding where are they in their relationship. If it’s still quite a very loving, connected relationship, then yes, these conversations are a very easy place to start. A lot of it can be around bringing the partner because we’re not going to say that it’s the husband. It could be a same-sex relationship. That can bring a lot of nuances and challenges if both partners are going through this at the same time. What we want to do is open up to, “This is how I’m feeling and what I’m experiencing.” A lot of my symptoms were I do a lot with Love Languages. You might laugh at this but my husband’s love language.

Gary Chapman?

Yeah.

We did a whole episode on Love Languages.

My husband’s love language is physical touch. My love language is acts of service. I don’t like a lot of physical touch but you have to bend and flex and be connected. One of the biggest challenges that we faced was when I lost my confidence. I was developing belly fat. I felt self-conscious. My whole body shape was changing. I wasn’t myself. My hair was falling out. My gums were bleeding and receding. Any moment I thought, “I’m going to lose a tooth at this rate the way things are changing.” My eyesight deteriorated. I couldn’t drive at nighttime. I couldn’t see anything and ringing in my ears.

It got a list of symptoms and ticked all of the symptoms. One of the big things was I pulled away from my husband. I didn’t want to be near him. He then thought, “She isn’t attracted to me anymore to come between our connectivity and discussion points.” This is why it’s important to find out, have you got that level of connection still with your partner to have those open conversations? If you don’t, what’s going to then happen is that pressure cooker and you’ll scream out, “I’m sore down there. It’s not I don’t love you. I’m dry.” It becomes challenging and what’s meant to be a beautiful and fun time.

I speaking from experience and some of the women that I work with, women in general haven’t been conditioned and nurtured to speak up and ask for what they need and say, “I’m having a problem in school. I need you to repeat that.” I’ve been taught to figure out how to behind the scenes make it all work but don’t make a fuss about myself. Don’t ask for things. This one couple I’m working with is not related to menopause. Both are working on asking for what they want. I am one who’s been desperately trying to work on what I need, speaking up and feeling like I deserve to have that. The double whammy for me with menopause and not having that skillset is at 51. I had the traditional. I was like, “Yes, 51 the period stopped,” and went that year and I was like, “I’m officially in menopause.”

That doesn’t mean that it started and stopped. That means it ended or started officially because I had a year of not having periods. I look at pictures and things of how things have changed, the things that happen quickly like muscle tone and vaginal dryness. I’m going to put up my hand and say this is the podcast I haven’t heard about confidence. I’ve never heard that confidence was a thing that went down. It’s like, “That opens up a whole new thing.” What I wanted to get back to is I have so much work still to do and I know there have to be other readers who don’t even know how to have this conversation even with their best friend or partner. There’s a shame that’s there.

“I’m vaginally dry. I don’t feel good down there. It’s not you, it’s me but I don’t know how to fix it.” I’ve seen too many women pretend this isn’t happening. We’re going to try and do things that avoid having that sex with my husband or having penetrative sex with my partner, female or male. I see it spiral into this bad situation because there are a lot of men out there whose love language is physical touch and they crave that. Part of my job is to try and help couples to learn how to have intimacy without penetrative sex as more of a language thing like, “Let’s have some variety and options here that don’t always mean penetrative sex and you can have that deep intimacy.” I want to put it out there and normalize it.

I still struggle if there was a new partner, which hasn’t been for a while but my body is different now. It takes me 30 minutes of foreplay or 45 even if I read the books to be plump and have the best sex. I want to have the best sex because I’ve had the best sex. I’m not going to go back and have mediocre sex at this point with anyone. There’s part of me that’s like, “Do I deserve to say this?” It’s a difficult conversation when you’re not used to asking for what you want. I wanted to put that out there to readers. You talk about talking but it’s a huge stumbling block. It’s a learning curve. I have to learn to feel I deserve and I can ask.

It is this taboo. I don’t want to even mention that I have problems with my vagina because it’s embarrassing. What if I’m the only one? I can guarantee you that if you are reading and you think, “I’ve noticed changes,” there are some simple solutions. Some of most will involve your medical provider that can then supply some prescription material. I promise you that this is nothing where you have to be injecting yourself with anything. You don’t need to insert something that’s going to stay in there forever. It’s around the understanding that you have some effective solutions. One of the ones that I use is hormone replacement therapy or menopause hormone therapy as some people refer to it.

I use a gel for my estradiol replacement and the gel gets rubbed on my thighs. 1 pump on the right thigh and 1 pump on the left thigh. I rub it in and let it dry while I brush my teeth and hair. I also then have my testosterone, which is a gel that goes onto my right buttock cheek. I have my Mirena coil, which is my contraceptive but also my progesterone element. If we talk about those three core sex hormones, that’s how I get them.

What that’s enabled my vagina to do is say, “We feel a lot better. We’ve got more estradiol in our bodies. Thank you.” Now and again, it doesn’t have the same balance as what we refer to as our vaginal estrogen. We can get a pessary little pill form if anybody here has ever used ten packs with an applicator. It’s the same kit type of solution. We’re talking about a pencil-thin version. You do not feel it.

Inserting this far up into the vagina and leaving it to do its thing tends to guide my ladies toward inserting them at bedtime as long as you’re not going to be having any intimate moments because we want to leave it in there and we certainly don’t want anybody poking around in there whilst it’s doing its thing. We want to leave that pessary to do its job. This is available. You also have creams, gels and insertable rings that can support this so that you get to control how you want to do this. It’s not just, “Take this pill and everything will go away.” I told you that there were over 52 different HRT preparations but your vaginal pessary is not classed as hormone replacement therapy.

I have no idea what you’re saying. What is that word? What does that mean?

It’s like a little tablet for the vagina. That’s all it is.

You were saying a pencil-thin. What does it look like? In America, we’ve got a little dot that also can either be inserted with the finger or an applicator. It sticks to the vaginal wall and then it dissolves. We’ve got a flexible ring that goes upright by the cervix. You don’t have to take that out. You replace it. I want to understand what that word is. That’s a new one for me.

Pessary means a tablet version. It looks like an Advil tablet.

Is that a round one you’re saying? Sometimes they can be a capsule form but it’s like a little tablet, you use it and it sticks to the vaginal wall.

Pop it up in there and it dissolves inside the vaginal wall. Your vagina will then absorb the estrogen, what we refer to as localized estrogen. It will not pass through the rest of the body in a cyclical form. It will be inserted into the vagina and absorbed into the vagina. We know that we’re getting it where we need it for that particular reason that we’re using it. We can use things like lubricants and vaginal moisturizers. My only stipulation with this is to be very vigilant and mindful of the ingredients. We do not want anything that is going to cause irritations fragrance-free. We certainly don’t want things that contain glycerin. These are not great for thrush and yeast infections.

Glycol is another one that’s in some of them. There is a menopause doctor and she’s got a book with some of the different options like you were saying. It’s nice to know that there are 50 different options. When I had this conversation because I always see my gyne once a year in the summertime, I said, “How come you didn’t tell me?” She’s like, “I did tell you this.” I said, “I guess I need to hear it again.” I am also on systemic hormone replacement therapy. It looks like a little piece of scotch tape if we call it. It looks like a little piece of that that I put and I have to alternate every two times a week.

That’s the systemic one for me. That would be the replacement like the gel because I did try that once. I realized that wasn’t the local estrogen. I’ve had some of the systemic symptoms abbreviated from that. I still had the atrophy as they called it, where the thinning of the vaginal walls and sex was still more painful. Some of the gynecologists that I have heard and followed say, “Every woman until the day she dies should be putting on a cream of estrogen on her vulva.” We put cream on our faces and I am a fan of putting it on the lips, clitoris and opening of the vagina. There’s no shame in putting on moisturizer at night. You put that on. It adds to my orgasms and plumpness when I’m ready.

You need both. You’ve been saying that but I wanted to reiterate as someone who also is in full-blown menopause that my life would be 180 degrees different if I didn’t have those two things. I would not want to have sex. It would be painful. I would be turned off from that. Instead at age 60, I can lovely to say that I have better sex than I’ve ever had in my entire life. If I didn’t have those two things, I would be in trouble. This is a passionate thing for me. I’m in love with everything you’re saying but I wanted you to know that if I didn’t have these things, my sex life would be at least penetrated sex wise and even the drive would be down.

A lot of this is the drive massive part of all of this. We want to be able to see when your drive is at its highest and you’re not bed needy like, “We don’t need a bed. We just need somewhere.” If it’s public and people are watching, then let’s hope we do not get lifted by the police. We get to have fun and we should have fun. I’m super passionate about this. My husband’s hilarious. He came home from work. He said, “All day long, I’ve been thinking about getting home to you.” I was like, “I’m busy tonight but we’ll talk later.”

These things are amazing that we get to have this connective time together rather than think, “I’m going to die if he tries to get in there or do anything there. I don’t want to tell him that it’s painful.” If you are reading this and I can give you one thing to take away, do not suffer through this. Even if you are a bit frightened about phrases of menopause hormone therapy or hormone replacement therapy, you do not need to even think about the things that Clare and I have spoken about patches or gels. You can consult with your medical provider for some vaginal localized estrogen. You do not need to go on to full systemic versions if you do not wish to. That’s important.

I’m going to chime in a little bit for a quick minute and then we’ll end on a high note. As somebody on the other side, when you said there are 52 different types, I know that knowledge is power but that’s too much knowledge. What will I choose? How will I research 52 and realize which one is best for me?

Even though we’re saying that we’ve narrowed it down, we’ve got our favorites. What we understand as well is that there are differences in nuances. I work with women all over the world. I have many clients in Florida for some reason. It’s amazing. They all come from this sunshine state. It’s so good. I’ve worked with a lot of ladies in Australia. One thing that we find quite dominant outside of the UK is the differences between bio and body-identical hormones. These are two different types of hormones. We have body identical hormones. These hormones are FDA approved. They’re pharmaceutically graded, research, test aids and all of that good stuff. They are what your GP or medical provider will prescribe.

If we have someone in the UK who goes to their doctor, they will get body-identical hormones. We have the data and research behind those. What we find a lot within the private sector, and I’m very mindful of how I say this, is we will have cleverly marketed platforms that will say, “I will design your hormones and they will be specifically just your hormones. I’m going to put testosterone, progesterone and estradiol in there. You’re going to have one thing you need to put on every day.” That needs to be a massive red flag to you because these bioidentical hormones are not pharmaceutically graded.

They are not batch-tested, researched, tested or FDA-approved. 1) We do not know if they’re beneficial and do anything. I’ve had to move a lot of ladies off of bioidentical. 2) We don’t know if they are risky because we don’t have data on them. We do have data and research around body-identical. It’s important to note that we do find a lot of these private clinics will offer you menopause reversal. It’s not such a thing. Be mindful.

If anybody offers you a magic pill, say no. Magic pills do not exist.

We get to live this vivacious, vibrant and sassy life. Making menopause mainstream is my biggest objective. The reason for that is I want as many women around the world and people to appreciate that menopause is not a time of life that we need to fear. It’s a time that we get to go, “I’m stepping into me. I’m going to take care of me.” Step into this superpower that we’re like, “Who are you? Where has she been for all these years?” It’s incredible what gets to happen when you feel empowered for your menopausal journey.

Clare, do you have any final thoughts and comments that you want to make?

I am meeting you for the first time and I’ve heard Rachel talk much about you but that’s because you guys get to see each other. You both live in Edinburgh. I’m jealous that we didn’t meet when I was there. It could be fun, Rachel if we have a workshop or gathering. It could be some Q&A. Maybe it’s not the show but it’s an online call where we get some women to have some questions back and forth. That will give us an idea of what are some of the most common questions. Rachel, we do have our email so that women can email us with some questions.

It’s EnchantingPodcast@Gmail.com.

Adele, I see you doing a second part for us after we gather maybe some more of the top questions or maybe we have a gathering because I love you. I’m so happy you’re normalizing this. It’s amazing to hear a younger woman be able to talk about this because to me, then it’s like, “Good. It’s not us over 50-year-olds that are talking about vaginal dryness and painful sex.” I hate it but there’s this shame around it like, “What’s wrong with me?” We’re here to say, “There’s nothing wrong with you. This is part of what will happen to your body as these hormone levels go down and you don’t have to suffer with it.”

It feels like you’re losing who you are. That’s important.

There is nothing wrong with you and you can be vibrant, living your best and stepping into your power. That is what you are helping people do in your way. We have loved having you.

This is such an important topic. Rachel and I are talking about how you can have great sex but you don’t talk about something that happens to all women who are over a certain age. We’re not doing our job. This is very important to know that there’s someone so knowledgeable, passionate and works worldwide. What is your website called?

On the website, it’s AdeleJohnstonCoaching.com but I’m active across Instagram. I dedicate two hours every day to answering questions for free inside DMs. If anybody has got any trouble or they need to raise something or they need space held, I hold a safe space. It’s very compassionate. Please do feel free to come find me. You can type into Google, Adele, The Menopause Coach and everything will come up or into Instagram. I am The.MenopauseCoach.

Thank you so much for being here and for reading. I love you, Clare and Adele.

I love you, Rachel. I don’t know you yet so much but I am enamored with you, Adele. I love to get to know you better.

I love this entire thing. Thank you for having me. It’s been the best pleasure ever.

See you next time. Bye.

 

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About Adele Johnston

As a woman navigating through early peri-menopause diagnosed at 37 years old, Adele is deeply passionate about empowering women to reclaim who they are inside and out after leaving her 20 year corporate career due to menopause symptoms. She’s now helping high achieving, focused women reclaim their identify, their body, their confidence and their vibrancy again, for life, without menopause taking over.

She has helped hundreds of women all over the world feel vibrant and navigate their menopause years with energy and power. Founder of the Menopause Support Coach Certification Adele is now sharing her knowledge and proven strategies with other coaches, workplaces and businesses to be menopasue aware to ‘Make Menopause Mainstream’ bringing menopause care into all women’s support.